In this episode of DesignChat that aired July 13th, 2011, we learn about how Robert entered contest to design a logo for the Cleveland Browns as a young man, and how the most difficult part was figuring out what a “Brown” was and what it should look like.

Robert also discusses how to build trust over a long period of time with a client, what the Archive 11 means to him, and how saying yes to a client’s idea isn’t a bad thing.